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Post  Nalin Bakshi on Fri Dec 11, 2009 2:36 pm

The US Navy's hornet has the designation F/A-18. "F" stands for fighter and "A" stands for ground attack. The 'A' is used for planes dedicated for ground attack like the A-10 warthog or the A-6 intruder. So what makes hornet so special that it got the designation F/A-18 and not F-18?
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Post  smpratik on Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:14 am

That is because its primarily a carrier borne strike aircraft with some air to air capability, thats why the F/A which means fighter cum attack.

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Post  Ricci on Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:27 am

Maybe that's when the DoD decide to correct the aberration in naming scheme ( F-117 , F-111 designated fighter even though they are purely strike jets ). F/A-18 is not incorrect as a designation , since the Hornet is the primary attack jet since retiring A-6s and A-7s , though the Bombcats did do many mud-pounder missions Embarassed . Even the Raptor was considered to be designated F/A-22 , though common sense won out . The prime reasoning anyway is that the Hornet was the first jet that could perform both roles without a main mission type , whereas attack jets before for pure ground-pounders , and fighters usually purely air-air .

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Post  smpratik on Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:12 pm

Nighthawk was classified as a fighter because of its maneuverability, it was more maneuverable than aircrafts like A-10 and A-6 and hence on this basis it was classified as a fighter even though it was light bomber.

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Post  Ricci on Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:15 am

F-117 and agile ?? What a Face

It wasn't called a hopeless diamond for nothing . The control surfaces are designed for stealth , not agility. It's F-404 engines are shielded for RCS reduction which again affects thrust , and it's got no reheat either.

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Post  Nalin Bakshi on Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:25 am

Ricci is right Pratik. F117 might do some turns in video's but the aircraft as such is not agile. F117 earns its own thread.

I myself am confused about the F1 and A series.
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Post  Vishal on Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:52 pm

even m confused y F117 haz "F"
have u heard about stealth bomber FB22 ? ? ?

here they have given "B" for bomber nd "F" for fighter

y "B" is missing in night hawk ? ? scratch
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Post  Nalin Bakshi on Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:56 pm

Thankfully 'B' is only for pure bomber not fighter bombers. Example B1, B2 and B52. All are strategic bombers.
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Post  smpratik on Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:15 pm

@ricci
I know the bird is not the most agile bird in the world but the flight maneuvers displayed by the Nighthawk are superior to any dedicated bomber/Attack or strike fighter.
AFAIK this is the reason why the USAF considers it as a fighter.

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Post  Ricci on Sun Dec 20, 2009 1:56 am

In that case , shouldn't the A-7 and A-4 also be F-7 and F-4 ? The A-7 ( derived from F-8 ) is also quite nimble , and so should the A-4 consider its use as an aggressor by the US Navy .

Anyway , from what I know of the F-117 , it is unstable and has poor native aerodynamic and flight characteristics , if it wasn't for FBW , the plane would be unflyable. Agility requires powerful engines to overcome drag at high AoA , large wings ( low wing loading ) for maximum lift and large control surfaces for control authority . To me , the F-117 seems deficient on all these counts , it's survivability owed only to low-observability .

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Post  smpratik on Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:49 pm

I know that Mr.Ricci but I am not the USAF, they consider it a fighter for the reasons i gave before.

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Post  Nalin Bakshi on Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:59 pm

And why F35 after F22?
Where are the rest?
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Post  Ricci on Tue Dec 29, 2009 1:40 am

The rest are reserved for other projects including X (experimental ) and Y ( prototype ) projects , some of which may never be fruitful . There is no F-19 , it was supposed to be a very futuristic fighter . F-20 , based on F-5 ,was a failed attempt to match the F-16 and gain export orders , and the F-21 is assigned to the Israeli Kfir C2 employed by the US as an aggressor . F-23 , well - we know the F-22's famous rival that lost . I don't know about F-24 onwards , but we have heard of the X-29 and X-31 . X-32 was one of the competitors to the F-35 .

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Post  smpratik on Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:09 pm


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Post  neerajb on Tue Dec 29, 2009 10:50 pm

Wiki at rescue again:

The operational aircraft had the official designation of "F-117A".[24] Most modern U.S. military aircraft use post-1962 designations in which the designation "F" is usually an air-to-air fighter, "B" is usually a bomber, "A" is usually a ground-attack aircraft, etc. (Examples include the F-15, the B-2, and the A-6.) The F-117 is primarily a ground-attack aircraft so its "F" designation is inaccurate.

F-117 flight demonstrationThe designation "F-117" seems to indicate that it was given an official designation prior to the 1962 U.S. Tri-Service Aircraft Designation System and could be considered numerically to be a part of the earlier "Century series" of fighters. The assumption prior to the revealing of the aircraft to the public was that it would likely receive the designation F-19 as that number had not been used. However there were no other aircraft to receive a "100" series number following the F-111. Captured Soviet fighters were given F-series numbers for their evaluation by U.S. test pilots, and with the advent of the Teen Series fighters, most often Century Series designations.
As with other exotic military aircraft types flying in the southern Nevada area, such as captured fighters, an arbitrary radio call of "117" was assigned. This same radio call had been used by the enigmatic 4477th "Red Hats/Red Eagles" unit that often had flown expatriated MiGs in the area, but there was no relationship to the call and the formal F-19 designation then being considered by the Air Force. Apparently, use of the "117" radio call became commonplace and when Lockheed released its first flight manual ("dash one"), F-117A was the designation printed on the cover.[25]

A televised documentary quoted a senior member of the F-117A development team as saying that the top-notch fighter pilots required to fly the new aircraft were more easily attracted to an "F" plane, as opposed to a "B" or "A" aircraft.[26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-117_Nighthawk#Designation

Same way even though F-105 Thundercheif was primarly a bomber but still sported F.

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