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First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
Nalin Bakshi Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:26 pm
KAMRA, PAKISTAN: A new JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighter plane, first of its kind made in Pakistan, was unveiled at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) here Monday.
Representatives from the Chinese embassy, the Chinese companies involved in the project, the Pakistani three services and federal ministries were present at a ceremony held at the PAC in Kamra, some 60 kilometers northwest of the Pakistani capital of Islamabad.
Speaking at the rollout ceremony, Pakistani Prime Minister SyedYusuf Raza Gilani said that this will kick start a new era in Pakistan-China relationship and Pakistan's aviation industry.
He added that it is "the achievement of an important milestone in our ongoing efforts to attain self-reliance".
Formally handing over the combat aircraft to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), Gilani said that the PAF has played a significant role in the country's defense and the war against terror.
In his message, Pakistani Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman thanked the Chinese government for extending support in designing a fighter aircraft to meet Pakistan's specific needs besides helping in setting up aircraft production facilities in the country.
He said that the PAF will always meet its obligations and spare no sacrifice in defending the motherland against all external and internal threats.
Speaking at the ceremony, Chinese Ambassador Luo Zhaohui said that the JF-17 project is a milestone in cooperation between the armed forces of China and Pakistan.
Luo also expressed the hope that it will further enhance the friendly relationship and cooperation between the two countries inall fields.
According to a PAC press release, the JF-17 has been developed to meet the tactical and strategic needs of the PAF. The aircraft is designed to accommodate future upgrades and additional requirements. Equipped with advanced avionics, it is capable of carrying multiple air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons.
Representatives from the Chinese embassy, the Chinese companies involved in the project, the Pakistani three services and federal ministries were present at a ceremony held at the PAC in Kamra, some 60 kilometers northwest of the Pakistani capital of Islamabad.
Speaking at the rollout ceremony, Pakistani Prime Minister SyedYusuf Raza Gilani said that this will kick start a new era in Pakistan-China relationship and Pakistan's aviation industry.
He added that it is "the achievement of an important milestone in our ongoing efforts to attain self-reliance".
Formally handing over the combat aircraft to the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), Gilani said that the PAF has played a significant role in the country's defense and the war against terror.
In his message, Pakistani Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman thanked the Chinese government for extending support in designing a fighter aircraft to meet Pakistan's specific needs besides helping in setting up aircraft production facilities in the country.
He said that the PAF will always meet its obligations and spare no sacrifice in defending the motherland against all external and internal threats.
Speaking at the ceremony, Chinese Ambassador Luo Zhaohui said that the JF-17 project is a milestone in cooperation between the armed forces of China and Pakistan.
Luo also expressed the hope that it will further enhance the friendly relationship and cooperation between the two countries inall fields.
According to a PAC press release, the JF-17 has been developed to meet the tactical and strategic needs of the PAF. The aircraft is designed to accommodate future upgrades and additional requirements. Equipped with advanced avionics, it is capable of carrying multiple air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons.
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General characteristics
Performance
Armament
Avionics
- * Crew: 1
* Length: 14.0 m (45.9 ft)
* Wingspan: 9.45 m (including 2 wingtip missiles) (31 ft)
* Height: 4.77 m (15 ft 8 in)
* Wing area: 24.4 m² (263 ft²)
* Empty weight: 6,411 kg (14,134 lb)
* Loaded weight: 9,100 kg including 2× wing-tip mou
* Max takeoff weight: 12,700 kg (28,000 lb)
* Powerplant: 1× Klimov RD-93 turbofan
- o Dry thrust: 49.4 kN (11,106 lbf)
o Thrust with afterburner: 84.4 kN (18,973 lb
* Internal Fuel Capacity: 2300 kg (5,130 lb)
Performance
- * Maximum speed: Mach 1.8 (1,191 knots, 2,205 kph)
* Combat radius: 1,352 km (840 mi)
* Ferry range: 3,000 km (2,175 mi)
* Service ceiling: 16,700 m (54,790 ft)
* Thrust/weight: 0.99
Armament
- * Guns: 1× 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon (can b
* Hardpoints: 7 in total (4× under-wing, 2× wing-ti
* Rockets: 57 mm, 90 mm unguided rocket pods
* Missiles:
- o Air-to-air missiles:
- + Short range: AIM-9L/M, PL-5E, PL-9C
+ Beyond visual range: PL-12 / SD-10
o Air-to-surface missiles:
- + Anti-radiation missiles : MAR-1
+ Anti-ship missiles: AM-39 Exocet
+ Cruise missiles: Ra'ad ALCM
* Bombs:
- o Unguided bombs:
- + Mk-82, Mk-84 general purpose bombs
+ Matra Durandal anti-runway bomb
+ CBU-100/Mk-20 Rockeye anti-armour cluster bomb
- + GBU-10, GBU-12, LT-2 laser-guided bombs
+ H-2, H-4 electro-optically guided,LS-
+ Satellite-guided bombs
- o Up to 3 external fuel drop-tanks (1× under-fuselage) with a capacity of 3,629 kg (8,000 lb) external fuel and ordnance
Avionics
- * NRIET KLJ-7 multi-mode fire-control radar
* NVG compatible glass cockpit
* Helmet Mounted Sights/Display (HMS/D)
* Infra-Red Search and Track (IRST)
* Externally mounted avionics pods:
- o Self-protection radar jammer pod
o Day/night laser designator targeting pod
o Forward Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) pod
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
smpratik Wed Dec 02, 2009 11:54 am
JF-17 is nothing but a 3rd Gen airframe with cheap 4th gen avionics. Its only self protection system is a RWR and heat decoys 
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
Nalin Bakshi Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:24 pm
What about an ECM suit?
And chaff too I am sure.
And chaff too I am sure.
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
Vishal Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:53 pm
well i heard dat JF17 haz a ECM suit
is it true ? ?
if yes link ? ?
is it true ? ?
if yes link ? ?
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
smpratik Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:03 pm
JF-17 does have a EW suit but it not the most potent in the world. It provides no self-protection aids, only a RWR, MAW and limited ground radar jamming. It will need to carry a external jamming pod to do. For a small fighter is not good as it reduces the availability of hard-points for missiles.
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
Nalin Bakshi Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:12 pm
Yeah that is there.
And what about LCA, does it have an internal ECM suite or it also uses an external pod?
And what about LCA, does it have an internal ECM suite or it also uses an external pod?
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
RohanRocks Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:33 pm
JF made in Pakistan
Lol
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
Vishal Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:47 am
@Nalin Bakshi
yup bro LCA haz itz own ECM suit called Mayavi,,degigned by DRDO
nd LCA does not carry it on itz external hardpiont like Junk fighter 17
yup bro LCA haz itz own ECM suit called Mayavi,,degigned by DRDO
nd LCA does not carry it on itz external hardpiont like Junk fighter 17
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
smpratik Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:39 pm
EWS of Tejas is named "Mayavi" and is collaboration between India and Israel. Israelis will be installing it on their JSF. It includes a radar warning receiver (RWR), self-protection jammer, laser warning system, missile approach warning system, and chaff/flare dispenser. The SPJ is capable of jamming both ground based radar as well as Fighter radars.(Don't know about AWACS) Its carried internally.
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Peregrine Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:22 pm
JF-17 has internal ECM suit which includes MAWS,RWR and CFD.
JF-17 carry jamming Pod on one of its hard point.
According to latest reports two more hard points will be added under the belly for carrying Pods.
JF-17 carry jamming Pod on one of its hard point.
According to latest reports two more hard points will be added under the belly for carrying Pods.
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Peregrine Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:26 pm
smpratik wrote:EWS of Tejas is named "Mayavi" and is collaboration between India and Israel. Israelis will be installing it on their JSF. It includes a radar warning receiver (RWR), self-protection jammer, laser warning system, missile approach warning system, and chaff/flare dispenser. The SPJ is capable of jamming both ground based radar as well as Fighter radars.(Don't know about AWACS) Its carried internally.
Self protection Jamming pods cannot jam radars
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
Nalin Bakshi Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:20 am
Neat!
How did you put the video?
How did you put the video?
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Anup Fri Dec 04, 2009 3:39 pm
LOL If it is indeed Pakistani why are there Chinese instructions on the jet ?
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
smpratik Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:33 pm
Peregrine wrote:smpratik wrote:EWS of Tejas is named "Mayavi" and is collaboration between India and Israel. Israelis will be installing it on their JSF. It includes a radar warning receiver (RWR), self-protection jammer, laser warning system, missile approach warning system, and chaff/flare dispenser. The SPJ is capable of jamming both ground based radar as well as Fighter radars.(Don't know about AWACS) Its carried internally.
Self protection Jamming pods cannot jam radars
Than what else are they supposed to jam ??? Please research before you post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_jamming_and_deception#Electronic_jamming
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
Peregrine Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:27 pm
Anup wrote:LOL If it is indeed Pakistani why are there Chinese instructions on the jet ?
They are engineers not instructors.
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
smpratik Fri Dec 04, 2009 10:51 pm
Peregrine wrote:Anup wrote:LOL If it is indeed Pakistani why are there Chinese instructions on the jet ?
They are engineers not instructors.
So you agree that the Chinese built the aircraft and are also manufacturing it in Pak !!
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Peregrine Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:00 pm
smpratik wrote:Peregrine wrote:Anup wrote:LOL If it is indeed Pakistani why are there Chinese instructions on the jet ?
They are engineers not instructors.
So you agree that the Chinese built the aircraft and are also manufacturing it in Pak !!
JF-17 is Joint venture between China and Pakistan and we jointly produce this aircraft.
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smpratik Fri Dec 04, 2009 11:12 pm
Thats right its JV between Pak and China, JV doesn't mean equal partners.
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
Peregrine Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:24 pm
I can understand your problemsmpratik wrote:Thats right its JV between Pak and China, JV doesn't mean equal partners.
You have no knowledge about aircrafts thats why you always argue on the small points
"JF-17 is not indigenous,Joint Venture and Equal partners, JF-17 ECM is not upto standards, etc etc
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Re: First Pakistan-made JF-17 fighter rolls out
smpratik Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:02 pm
Peregrine wrote:I can understand your problemsmpratik wrote:Thats right its JV between Pak and China, JV doesn't mean equal partners.
You have no knowledge about aircrafts thats why you always argue on the small points
"JF-17 is not indigenous,Joint Venture and Equal partners, JF-17 ECM is not upto standards, etc etc
I not only know about fighter planes but also know a thing or two about human Psychology, and the above statement clearly shows your lack of incompetence to argue with me.
JF-17 is not indigenous is a correct statement.
ECM is not upto standard (has no standard) is also a true statement.
Joint Venture means equal partners is a incorrect statement. Its a accounting term which means activity taken by two or more co-venturers for a short or unlimited period of time. It doesn't mean that the co-venturers are equal partners, but they can be. In case of JF-17 i see know reason why both countries are equal partner. You can provide me with reasons to change my views.
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